I need to port an existing application from iOS to Android,
The Application have core component implemented in C++
UI is specific to iOS implemented in Cocoa Framework,
I am good in C++ , objective C , average in Java
I wanted to know, the feasibility of developing android application, which has UI Part written in Java(UI) and Core Protocol implemented in C++, through googling, it seems Android NDK will come into Picture, but wanted to know, how complex to have such kind of Architecture,
Its possible with NDK, but you will need to make several JNI calls, and it gets messy sometimes, especially when you are new to Android.
The alternative method is to create all UI in C/C++ itself, with your own UI library.
This method is painful but it reap rewards in the long run if you are making a lot of apps which can cross port to ios/android, cutting down on UI rewrite costs.
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I am currently planning the development of a multiplatform app, and I am not sure wich way to do it fits my requirements best, since all possibilties I could think of failed to satisfy me.
First I want to write an app for android, which should feel like a normal typical android app. So I want to use the standard actionbar and android design look and feel in my other gui elements. After finishing the android app I am planning on developing an ios app, which should have a different design, so i am going to redevelop the gui for this anyway.
But I don´t want to rewrite the other code wich represents the intelligence of the app, independent from the gui. I came up with the following possibilities:
1. Java GUI With native library
Here I abstract all the code of my app in a C++ library (since as far as I know ios supports the usage of c++ libraries too) and develop the gui android typically in java. The library would than have a function to start and would inform the gui about every change via callback functions.
Pro
I can reuse all the code that would be the same on both platforms. I just would implement the gui seperately
The design of the android gui is straightforward as I want it to be. It looks like typical android because it is typical android.
Cons
I dislike the usage of JNI very much. Especially the signature and names of the callback functions (calling java functions from c++) are not checked at compile time and require a lot of manual work. If I rename a function and forget to rework the native part I only notice this mistake at runtime.
2. Build the GUI on the native side
Here I had difficulties finding out what is possible, especially for 2.2
2.1 Use Qt
I have only a few first step experiences with Qt in general but as far as I understood i would have the following pros and cons:
Pro
Reuse most parts of the code for ios and Android. I would than redesign the gui for each platform to make them feel natural. I can´t evaluate how much qt may even assists me at doing that
Cons
I have to copy the android gui by using other qt widgets. This is more effort and I don´t know if one can replicate the android gui elements (like the actionbar) so that the user wouldn´t notice it.
2.2 Using the android framework from the native side
I dont know if this is possible at all, I wasn´t able to find this information. Can I use the class "NativeActivity" and use the android framework to build the gui and use e.g. the actionbar? If this is possible somehow it would have the pros from 1. and maybe wouldn´t have it cons?
Do you have any feedback to my ideas or maybe even new approaches I didn´t think of? How do other multiplatform apps like WhatsApp solve this problem? Do they have redundant code for each platform?
Thank you,
Tobi
I would say that it depends very much on your application requirements. By my opinion, a better solution is to develop a separate application for each platform using recommended SDK's for that platform, and implement in native C++ only the time consuming data processing algorithms.
Application runtime on mobile platforms is not so straightforward as on desktop platforms. You should take into account background and foreground processing, specific application life cycling, accessing system resources such as network, file system, etc. And all these issues do differ on iOS and Android.
Regarding possibilities that you listed.
Qt/QML is ok only in case two requirements are met:
1.1 Your application is a foregroud application without any background operations.
1.2 You purchase a commercial Qt license because only commercial Qt can be submitted to Apple iTunes app store (even GPL apps are under
question).
Using NDK Native Activities on Android with cross-platform C/C++ backend. Android NDK API offers much less API then Android Java SDK, so a lot of things you will have to implement or wrap manually. It is a hard road.
Mixing Java code and C/C++ using JNI gives you more of Android SDK API. But you should remember that an Android activity's life cycle is not somewhat that you're used to deal with when developing on C/C++.
Approach that we are using
We've been developing an application with a huge amount of cross platform functionality that should work on Windows/Linux/Mac OSx/Android/iOS. We're using the approach as follows.
Cross-platform core is written in pure C++.
We have adaptors to GUI interface for each platform.
On desktop we use Qt as it reaches all desktop platforms with minor adapting to each platform.
On iOS the GUI is built using iOS SDK with Objective-C and C++ core is linked as a Framework. Still, we had to patch our core in some way for iOS background requirements and so.
On Android we wrap our C++ core in a background process and build all the GUI using only Android Java SDK. Foreground GUI activities interact with the core via local sockets, so we don't need to bother with activities life cycling in our C++ core. But the adaptor is a litle bit complicated.
Nevertheless, both mobile platforms often require workarounds and adaptations in C++ core which add a number of #ifdef'ed branches in code for each platform.
I've been hired to develop a mobile framework for a webservice created by my employer. Ideally management would like to have some reusable components that can be shared across mobile platforms (initially iOS & Android, probably Windows Phone 7 at some later point).
I've been wondering how feasible this is. One of the requirements is a native interface, so we would use Cocoa Touch on iOS & whatever (Java-based) toolset is used to create a native UI for Android. The application will interact with webservices, mainly the ones that we've been creating internally. The webservices have been developed in .NET.
As far as reusable components go, I guess we could use some C++ code to make webservice calls and perhaps even more of the backend of an application, yet I wonder if this would be a good approach. Apple's Foundation Framework has some excellent capabilities build-in to access webservices, not to mention other open-source libraries, e.g. ASIHttpRequest, SBJSON, etc... I guess the same would be true for Android (though I have no real Android experience for now). Also, when looking at projects done by companies like Google, Twitter & Facebook, each of these companies offers native libraries built for the major mobile OS platforms. If the big companies take this approach, it seems logical for us to follow suit.
Perhaps we should focus more on a general architecture that we should offer across platforms instead of an implementation that can be shared.
Would anyone advise us to make use of C/C++ to develop such a framework (shared library) for the mobile site of our webservices? If so, why?
It really depends on what level of customized code you want to have. I worked at a game company previously, and we made two games for both iPhone and Android, and at least 90% of the codebase was shared between the two platforms in c++ code. Sometimes it is significantly easier to implement elements with specialized third-party libraries, like for Facebook and the like, but maintaining that code means continually doing it for both platforms. That was one of the reasons why we even implemented our own UI objects in c++ for our games. Because even though the initial setup would have been easier to do with Interface Builder and Android's XMLs, the maintenance and tweaking necessary ended up being significantly less because we went with a shared codebase.
In short, I would highly recommend writing any shared customized code in C/C++, and things that are significantly easier in their native codebases (java for android, or obj-c for iphone) and you don't expect to change much, to keep separate.
Depending on which WS protocol you use it may be more or less hard to do, but anyway I see little advantage in doing that in C/C++ for a mobile platform.
If you were using SOAP, I'd never consider C/C++, even for a desktop app. I already used SOAP libraries for C++ and they are a lot harder to use than their Java/.net counterparts, and the way they are implemented (mapping SOAP objects to C structs) is very prone to crashes if the format changes. Not to mention that you have to recompile your client when the WSDL changes.
As I understood in your case you plan to use REST. I never found a good REST library for C/C++, but recently I did a desktop project in which I implemented a C++ REST client using simply WinHTTP (in Windows) and libCURL (in Linux). Of course, they provide just the HTTP part, so I had to add cppdom for XML parsing. If you use JSON, there are many good libs like jsoncpp, libjson.
I'd say to you that even in a desktop environment it was harder to do than would be in .net or java, and was only done this way because it was part of a larger application already written in C/C++.
Anyway, you'll have more work and not much advantage since all those modern mobile platforms provide rich libraries that do the same thing, and probably the user of your API will develop in the platform's main language, so you'll have the double extra work of implementing the WS access code AND the binding code. As I assume all (or at least most) of your logic is in your server, not the client, there's not much common code between the platforms to justify using C/C++.
Not really an immediate source code question per se....but Im looking into doing some casual Android Programming, nothing heavy.
But it seems to use alot of XML and Java......what I wonder though is why is it that android is written mostly in C and XML (along with C++ and Java) with it being closely related to the Linux OS......but why is the "main" language for programming in android Java?
Just out of curiosity of course.
The "main" language, as you called it, is Java. You can use C/C++ via the NDK, but you won't need it unless you are doing some special stuff. If you wonder when you would need to use C/C++, take a look at the official documentation:
When to Develop in Native Code
The NDK will not benefit most applications. As a developer, you need to balance its benefits against its drawbacks; notably, using native code does not result in an automatic performance increase, but always increases application complexity. In general, you should only use native code if it is essential to your application, not just because you prefer to program in C/C++.
Typical good candidates for the NDK are self-contained, CPU-intensive operations that don't allocate much memory, such as signal processing, physics simulation, and so on. Simply re-coding a method to run in C usually does not result in a large performance increase. When examining whether or not you should develop in native code, think about your requirements and see if the Android framework APIs provide the functionality that you need. The NDK can, however, can be an effective way to reuse a large corpus of existing C/C++ code.
The Android framework provides two ways to use native code:
Write your application using the Android framework and use JNI to access the APIs provided by the Android NDK. This technique allows you to take advantage of the convenience of the Android framework, but still allows you to write native code when necessary. You can install applications that use native code through the JNI on devices that run Android 1.5 or later.
Write a native activity, which allows you to implement the lifecycle callbacks in native code. The Android SDK provides the NativeActivity class, which is a convenience class that notifies your native code of any activity lifecycle callbacks (onCreate(), onPause(), onResume(), etc). You can implement the callbacks in your native code to handle these events when they occur. Applications that use native activities must be run on Android 2.3 (API Level 9) or
You cannot access features such as Services and Content Providers natively, so if you want to use them or any other framework API, you can still write JNI code to do so.
I am just guessing but Java is a bit easier to program than C/C++ so its more attractive to new programmer which is also good for the platform success itself.
Another reason might be that an application written in java runs in a separate VM so it can be much easier controlled by android. If a vm is not responding the main OS can just kill it and the phone is still responding.
Suaron... From a stability point of view Java apps should be less likely to take down the device. So Java || C# || C++/CLI safer than C++ vs C vs Assembly. To this end the API is in Java and so most Apps are in Java.
On the other hand C/C++ gets closer to the hardware and is more appropriate for writing libraries that interact with hardware. It is much easier to shoot yourself in the foot with C++.
JAL
The Android NDK has just been significantly expanded to include support for writing android applications entirely in native C/C++ code. One can now capture input events on the keyboard and touch screen using native code, and also implement the application lifecycle in C/C++ using the new NativeActivity class.
Given all the expanded native capabilities, would it be worthwhile to completely bypass Java and write Android application in native code?
The NDK is not native per-se. It is to a large extent a JNI wrapper around the Android SDK. Using NativeActivity gives you a convenient way of dealing with certain app-life cycle events, and add your own native code on top. ALooper, AInputQueue etc. are all JNI wrappers of the Java SDK counterparts, some with additional code that is private and unaccessible for real apps.
When it comes to Android development, there's no such thing as writing an application entirely in native C++ - you will (in every real App case that I can think of) always need to use the Android API:s, which are to a huge extent pure Java. Wether you use these through wrappers provided by the NDK or wrappers that you create yourself doesn't really change this.
So, to answer your question: No, it wouldn't be worthwhile, because you would end up writing JNI wrappers for SDK calls instead of writing JNI wrappers to your own Java methods that do the same thing, with less code, simpler code and faster code. For example, showing a dialog using "pure c++", involves quite many JNI calls. Just calling a Java method through JNI that does the same thing will give you faster code (one JNI call), and, arguably, code that is easier to maintain.
To fully understand what you can do, you really must examine the Android source code. Start with native_app_glue.c, which is available in the NDK, then continue with the OS implementation of AActivity, ALooper, AInputQueue etc. Google Code Search is a great help in this. :-)
If it is easy to do in Java, and includes many calls, call a method through JNI that does it all, rather than writing all the extra code to do it with multiple JNI calls. Preserve as much of your existing C++ code as is reasonable.
Not if you are just making a standard application. The Java SDK is more complete than its Native counterpart right now so you would still be making things more difficult for yourself.
If you are not doing something that requires the NDK (read: real time performance sensitive) then stick with Java.
Just some food for thought but if you have an app on iOS and Android, some C/C++ code might be shareable. Obviously the iOS Obj-C and platform specific code wouldn't work elsewhere. (Ditto for the Android specific stuff). But you might be able have some shared code that's platform neutral.
If you can, stick with the java style apps until versions of Android supporting native activities constitute a significant fraction of the installed base.
For things that were hard to do before - particularly ports of existing code - this will probably be a big help.
It's not entirely clear yet what has changed vs. just writing your own thin java wrapper. For example, is there still a copy of the dalvik VM hanging around?
I'm doing some initial research on smart phone development, and I noticed that Android and Windows Mobile both support c++ for application development. I was curious if anyone had any experience trying to manage shared files between both Android and Windows Mobile, and to what extent that code can be shared? e.g. no user interface can be shared, but web service and business logic classes can be shared, etc.
I can't speak to the WinMo side of things, but on the Android side you should really really really avoid using native code for anything except performance-critical processing algorithms. JNI/NDK stuff does not play nicely with the normal Dalvik lifecycle and can be a source of all sorts of ugly unpleasant bugs and memory leaks. From what I understand there also aren't on-board NDK libraries for more complex high-level functionality like HTTP (just more basic/performance-oriented libs like libz and OpenGL), so you'd probably have to compile that stuff and ship it with the app as well. I would definitely not recommend coding your web service classes in C++, even if it's technically possible; it'll be less buggy and nicer to write C#/Java and you should be able to make mostly the same architectural decisions for consistency.
That said, if you have a performance-critical bit of image processing code or the like, it actually can be fairly straightforward to get that working across Android to other platforms (I've seen it done quite well with some image-processing C code used in an iPhone app and then used via the NDK in an Android app).
Check the documentation on the NDK for details on what it can (and can't) do, and see similar SO threads like this one.