I know using dip is good for compatibility to different screen devices. But I would like to ask i a tablet of 600*800 as an example with a text field of 600 dip fit to the screen. Does it still fit on on a 400*320 screen as well.
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My company has a Android app. Our clients view the app with a Lenovo Tab M8. I am a designer tasked with recreating the current app experience in Figma so that our design team can have a design system and make accurate mockups. But I'm struggling to capture basic measurements (my experience is in Web and not Native apps).
The first question is, what is the width and length of the screen in pixels? I'm trying to create a basic screen template in Figma. I know the Lenovo display is 1280x800px with 16:10 screen ratio. But when I create a 1280x800 frame in Figma it's significantly larger than the physical device. I'm a little lost.
The other question is, I'm trying to recreate font sizes but I know the app uses dp and not px. I found a site that convert them, but I don't know if the tablet is LDPI, MDPI, or whatever.
https://www.pixplicity.com/dp-px-converter
Thanks for any insights you have.
You shouldn't need to know what density the tablet is, the point of using dp (density-independent pixels) is that everything will look pretty much the same size in the real world. The baseline density is LDPI, which is 160 pixels per inch - so 160dp is one inch on the screen.
XHDPI is 320 pixels per inch, so double the density - but converting 160dp to pixels on XHDPI devices involves multiplying it by 2, so the result is 320 pixels - which again corresponds to 1 inch on a 320dpi screen. See how it works?
So the pixel resolution isn't important, a tablet will be large in dp terms because they're physically bigger than a phone, more inches and all that. But if you're curious, if your M8 is the 2nd-gen one, according to the tech specs it's 4.8" on the 800 px axis (the one with the smallest bezels), and that works out to 166.7 DPI without taking those bezels into account - so it's an LDPI device!
I don't know anything about Figma, but so long as you're using dp measurements it should work ok? You have to be aware of the size of your screen though - when you said you created a frame 800 high and it was too big, if that was 800dp then 800 / 160 is 5" and your screen is only 4.8" high. Ideally your layout shouldn't require a specific physical size though, it should be able to adjust since different devices (even very similar ones) are different sizes - but I don't know how Figma works with that! That's just the way it works for the standard Android stuff
Also ideally fonts should use sp which is like dp but it has an additional scaling step depending on the user's font size settings on the device - it lets them shrink or enlarge text to their preference and for accessibility (the latter is especially important). Sometimes you want a fixed size for something that's more of a graphic element, but generally text should be scalable
If you want to know how to convert, have a look at the Material Type System - there's a chart there for converting between different units (also 1sp = 1dp for the Normal text size FYI). There's also a tool on there to create a type scale but only for stuff on Google Fonts - just saves you doing it yourself!
I've created my app but I decided to test it on all screens to be adaptive. Maybe testing it in
MDPI(160dpi), HDPI(240dpi), XHDPI(320dpi), XXHDPI(480dpi) and XXXHDPI(640dpi) which corresponds to all screen sizes. However I tested my app on two devices support 320dpi. I thought that I get the same result but it don't. so don't know how to test my app on all screens. I'm confused.
I used Genymotion for emulators:
one with 720 * 1280 320dpi
screenshot
and other with 1200 * 1920 320dpiscreenshot
Please help me with that or if there's another way to do it let me know.
thanks in advance
(Bunch of explanation about why this is happening, I put my suggestions in the last section)
DPI isn't the same as size, it's just about how many pixels are packed into a certain area. The higher the DPI, the more pixels there are, meaning they're a lot smaller. So you can get fine detail, but it also means you need more of them to cover a physical distance or area on the screen.
Which is why Android uses dp instead of raw pixel sizes most of the time - the standard minimum touch-target size is 48dp, but how many actual pixels that is depends on the pixel density of the display. For mdpi displays it'll actually be 48 pixels, for xxxhdpi it'll be 4x that amount
It also means if you're doing your design work in dp, the pixel density of the screen doesn't matter - elements with a fixed size will always be broadly the same size on every screen (the mdpi etc buckets are like a "close enough" grouping, the devices in each group won't all have exactly the same DPI) because it's getting translated to the equivalent number of actual pixels. What testing does help with is checking your drawable assets look ok on different screen densities
So you have two devices with the same DPI right?
720 x 1280
1200 x 1920
Because they're the same DPI, those dimensions are converted to dp by the same factor. Let's work it out to be precise (but the exact numbers aren't important): 320 DPI is xhdpi according to that link up there, so 1dp = 2px. Let's convert those screen sizes to dp
360dp x 640dp
600dp x 960dp
It's the same situation but hopefully having those sizes expressed in dp helps you see the problem - when you're designing a layout, you're working with dp, right? The available space you have to work with is defined in dp, and one of those has a whole lot more space than the other! Putting a 300 dp-wide TextView in the layout would almost fill the first one horizontally, but it would only cover half of the second. That's gonna look pretty different!
This is why phones and tablets look so different - even if you have a relatively new phone, and an old Nexus 7 with a much lower resolution, the Nexus 7's screen is going to feel "bigger" and more "spacious". It's a physically larger device, so even though it's low-res, it's also low-density which means those pixels are spread across a larger area. Lower DPI means those pixels translate into more inches. And in the density-independent pixel (dp) system, that means you get way more dp to work with, more space for your layout. Which is what you want on a tablet, you don't want it to look and feel like a massive phone!
That's why it's different - basically one of your devices has more space to work with than the other, because it has more pixels, and the same DPI so those pixels aren't just used for finer detail.
As for testing, you need to look at different screen sizes - which is dependent on the resolution and the DPI. Basically pixels / DPI = size in inches. Do that for your two 320 DPI examples and you'll see one is a fair bit larger, physically, while having the same density
Probably the easiest way to do this, really, is to look at your layout in the design view, and change the Preview Device setting at the top. Some of the Phone devices are more "spacious" than others, newer ones are taller, so go through them and see how your layout changes. Try a Tablet one and see what a lot of extra space does. And if you go down to the Generic Phones and Tablets section at the bottom, there are a bunch of reference devices in there, some of which will be very cramped!
Once you've found a few useful ones, you can set up your emulator / virtual devices with each of their screen resolution / density combinations. I don't know about Genymotion, but the built-in AVD manager gives you a lot of those device definitions as templates when you create a new virtual device. You should at least be able to enter those settings yourself
Also when you publish an app on the Play Store, they'll automatically run it on a bunch of reference devices and give you access to a bunch of screenshots, so you can see if there are any problems with certain screen sizes and fix them before you launch
I would like to create a adaptive UI for both mobile and tablet devices. I would like to know for example for mobile devices if I give android:textsize="2dp then how much I should give for tablet devices. I know I should give them in values-w820dp and appropriate folder but how to calculate the difference of this dp. I couldn't find any resource for this. Help me out.
(1) For most text, it's best to size it in sp units so it scales automatically relative to the user's text-size preference. Folks with lesser vision can pick larger text and then be able to read your app without eyestrain.
(2) If you need some text to appear in a fixed size, e.g. a big headline, then use dp units so it scales automatically relative to the screen's pixel density. (Pixel density is independent of the overall screen size. It's a high vs. low density thing, not a phone vs. tablet thing.)
But don't use size 2dp! That'd be unreadably tiny -- the height of 2 physical pixels of a 160 dpi screen.
(3) If you need some text that uses approximately a fixed proportion of the screen size, then it makes sense to either define screen-size-dependent parameters, e.g. in values-w820dp, or to size it in code.
(4) If you need some text in a fixed number of pixels tall even when the pixels are really tiny, e.g. to draw into a raster image, then use px units.
See Supporting Multiple Screens - best practices.
There are no strict rules here. You can have android:textsize="2dp on your tablet as well if you wish so. You can have a look at the following android developer page which tells how to support tablets and contains chapter called: 5. Adjust Font Sizes and Touch Targets
I've developed an interface and everything has used dp settings so I thought it should have been good for most screen sizes. However when testing it gets messed up on most screen sizes, bigger and smaller. I get the icons not showing right since I only have one set for Nexus 4 size and density as they are only placeholders until I build the proper icons at the proper scales.
What is going wrong? Is dp the wrong way to go about designing it for scale? I've considered designing specific layouts for various screen sizes but I'm not sure where to begin in regards to what to target.
Here is what is should look like. (Nexus 4)
Smaller Screen (Nexus One)
Bigger Screen. (Nexus 5) - See how the text collides with the vertical divider.
dp - an abstract unit that is based on the physical density of the screen. which is the baseline density assumed by the system for a "medium" density screen. At runtime, the system transparently handles any scaling of the dp units, as necessary, based on the actual density of the screen in use.
It doesn't mean that image can scale automatically. It works in the specific density devices well.
Generate ur icons with http://romannurik.github.io/AndroidAssetStudio/icons-generic.html and place the icons and check.
For text don't use dp : instead use sp
I developed my app on a Samsung GT-P7510 (10.1" WXGA 1280x800 pixels). When I download to the Nexus 7 (7" 1280x800 pixels) the buttons that I use appear to be about the same physical size. The Nexus buttons are about 95% of the Samsung buttons. The rest of the screen seems to work OK- the text is in the right location and is proportionately smaller because that is defined in terms of screen height.
All my button sizes are defined using "dp" settings in the XML layout files. I would have expected that with the same pixel ratio the buttons would scale. I am obviously misunderstanding this. What setting would I use to get the buttons to scale?
Why do you think Android should scale your app without anything that you tell it to do?
"dp" simply makes things look the same across devices with different densities (higher density makes use of more pixels) . It won't make things larger or smaller, and it's a good thing since you don't want text to be either huge or too small to be able to read.
For text, BTW, it's usually better to use "sp" so that the user might be able to change its size (because people might have eyes problems to read small letters).
If you wish to scale things, you can either create your own mechanism (like this one) or use openGL .