I've built a music player which is running on a Service.
I'm preforming various actions as play, pause, next song, previous song etc through a binding to the service from my activity.
It works totally fine.
So to my question:
Is it ideal to put the service on a new thread? I know Service run by default on Main/UI thread.
If not, how do I know when to actually put something on a new thread? Can I put the whole Service instance on new thread or just a part of the code in the Service?
I guess this is called a long running service, shouldnt that be on a own thread to not block the UI?
When debugging I can see this in Logcat: I/Choreographer(691): Skipped 60 frames! The application may be doing too much work on its main thread...
That got me wondering too! :o
As my title says, I'm very confused about this!
You are right, Services are not threads (they do not create a different thread).
When started form an activity they would block the main/UI thread fi running long operations.
you can use IntentService - which start their own thread to perform background long running operations - but that would probably suits a download file task or long running calculation better than playing music.
note that IntentService creates and destroys the thread by itself (when the work is done).
Another option would be to create you own thread manually.
That said, I would consider this article:
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/mediaplayer.html
It talks about a service in the foreground using startForeground() which adds a notification to the status bar, letting the user be aware of the fact that the service is running - as well as promoting the service so it won't get destroyed in case of low memory conditions (it could be - but it will probably be the last one to be closed).
the example is about running media player while taking the main thread blocking into consideration as well as handling system events to pause and play music as expected (using BroadcastReceiver )
Also note this:
http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
Should you use a service or a thread?
A service is simply a component that can run in the background even
when the user is not interacting with your application. Thus, you
should create a service only if that is what you need.
If you need to perform work outside your main thread, but only while
the user is interacting with your application, then you should
probably instead create a new thread and not a service. For example,
if you want to play some music, but only while your activity is
running, you might create a thread in onCreate(), start running it in
onStart(), then stop it in onStop(). Also consider using AsyncTask or
HandlerThread, instead of the traditional Thread class. See the
Processes and Threading document for more information about threads.
Remember that if you do use a service, it still runs in your
application's main thread by default, so you should still create a new
thread within the service if it performs intensive or blocking
operations.
Related
In a recent answer, I read
A service does not run on its own thread, it runs on the UI thread
I've read similar statements in many other service-related questions.
If I call startService() from an Activity, will the Service run on the Activity's UI Thread or does it spawn a new process with it's own UI Thread?
If it runs on the Activity's UI Thread, doesn't that risk making the Activity unresponsive?
Yes services does run on main thread , About ANR(application not responding ) concern , there will higher chances of ANRs if your service is doing a long processing work using CPU so the official docs also recommends to use Worker Threads for efficiency. docs
You must read the caution paragraph in the docs to confirm
If your task is one time shot then Use IntentService which implicitly use threading mechanism for processing but IntentService will destroy itself automatically when the task is done so you will have to start it again for the next time and so.
android:process : Using this to start a service in an another process will cause usage of more memory. This will cause creating two processes for your app in separate heap memory space which also require other maintenance as well.So this is rarely used and i would not recommend to use this for a regular service task.
If I call startService() from an Activity, will the Service run on
the Activity's UI Thread or does it spawn a new process with it's
own UI Thread?
If it's a Service (not an IntentService), it will run on the main Thread of your app's process, as long as you do not define it as a separate process explicitly (by adding the android:process tag in the Manifest).
If it runs on the Activity's UI Thread, doesn't that risk making the
Activity unresponsive?
Yes it does, if you perform CPU intensive/blocking operations.
To prevent that, you can either start new Thread(s) from your Service, or use an IntentService, which will automatically spawn a new worker Thread for its work.
From the Services Docs it clearly explains your answer.
Caution: A service runs in the main thread of its hosting process—the
service does not create its own thread and does not run in a separate
process (unless you specify otherwise). This means that, if your
service is going to do any CPU intensive work or blocking operations
(such as MP3 playback or networking), you should create a new thread
within the service to do that work. By using a separate thread, you
will reduce the risk of Application Not Responding (ANR) errors and
the application's main thread can remain dedicated to user interaction
with your activities.
In a recent answer, I read
A service does not run on its own thread, it runs on the UI thread
This is just plain wrong. A Service is an object (an instance of a class). It doesn't run on any thread, it doesn't run at all. It just "is". The methods of the Service may run on any thread, depending...
Specifically, the lifecycle methods of a Service (onCreate(), onStartCommand(), etc.) that are called directly from the Android framework run on the main (UI) thread, which may or may not be the same thread that called startService(). However, a Service can (and usually does) start other background threads, as many as it needs to, to perform the necessary work.
If I call startService() from an Activity, will the Service run on the
Activity's UI Thread or does it spawn a new process with it's own UI
Thread?
See above. If you want your Service to run in a separate process, you can do this by specifying android:process=":service" in the <service> declaration in the manifest. By default, services run in the same process as the other components (Activity, BroadcastReceiver, etc.) of your application.
If it runs on the Activity's UI Thread, doesn't that risk making the
Activity unresponsive?
That depends on what your Service is doing! Obviously if your Service is doing a lot of compute-intensive processing on the UI thread it will make your app unresponsive. If your Service is doing I/O on the UI thread, Android will usually throw exceptions (in more recent versions of Android). This is the reason that services usually start background threads to do work. However, if your Service is lightweight, then there is no reason why methods of your Service cannot run on the UI thread. As I said, it depends...
IntentService runs on the background thread, so, if you want to do one-off tasks then use that.
I was going through Bound Service in Android Developer website. I thought I understood the service enough but I just found another way of connecting service through Using a Messenger class especially for local service. There I got confused. Maybe I got the concept wrong.
Here is my understanding of Android Service. You create a service when
You want to do separate jobs in the background.
You want to make it a separate process.
You want to make it run in a lifecycle that's independent of the component that started it.
Confusion is the first item in the list, the definition of the background. Isn't the background a thread or process? I never thought that it can run on the main thread.
Here is the caution of service in the dev pages about.
Caution: A service runs in the main thread of its hosting process—the service does not create its own thread and does not run in a separate process (unless you specify otherwise). This means that, if your service is going to do any CPU intensive work or blocking operations (such as MP3 playback or networking), you should create a new thread within the service to do that work. By using a separate thread, you will reduce the risk of Application Not Responding (ANR) errors and the application's main thread can remain dedicated to user interaction with your activities.
Questions
Why does one choose to use service if the service function will anyway run on the main thread?
Do we have to write a service only to block ANR even if the time-consuming job is done in the main thread? Assume the service is only for my application.
Are there any practical cases or reasons to use a service as private and running in the same thread?
Application main thread is not always the UI thread. For example, when Activity is stopped, the onStop() is invoked, hence the UI thread is taken away from that Activity and moved to another Activity within the same or a different application. However it doesn't mean the application is no longer active, it can continue working in the background until it is closed either by OS or by user. Then who keeps it running in the background? It is the main thread and not the UI thread.
What are services
In Android, a Service is an application component that can perform
long-running operations in the background on the UI thread. By
background, it means that it doesn’t have a user interface. A Service
runs on the main thread of the calling Component’s process by default
(and hence can degrade responsiveness and cause ANRs), hence you
should create a new Thread to perform long running operations. A
Service can also be made to run in a completely different process.
Unlike Activity components, Services do not have any graphical
interfaces. Also Broadcast Receivers are for receiving broadcast
messages (broadcast, multicast, unicast) and perform short tasks
whereas Services are meant to do lengthy processing like streaming
music, network transactions, file I/O, interact with databases, etc.
When a Service is started by an application component like an Activity
it runs in the background and keeps running even if the user switches
to another application or the starting component is itself destroyed
Why use service
Services are given higher priority than other Background processes and
hence it’s less likely that Android will terminate it. Although it can
be configured to restart once there is ample resources available
again. You should go through the different processes and their
priority/important level in the documentation on processes and
threads. Assigning them the same priority as foreground activities is
definitely possible in which case it’ll need to have a visible
notification active (generally used for Services playing music).
Use IntentService if you don't want to fiddle with managing threads on your own. Otherwise, use AsyncTasks.
Please read this excellent article to understand more in detail and also read this answer.
Service basically runs in UI thread or main thread.But,if we are going to perform long running operations in service,we need to create a background thread and perform that task.
But why we have to use service?
Now let's think of Music Application.We need songs to be played continuously even if we leave music app.If we use activities,we can't achieve above requirement.So,service helps in these kind of scenarios.Even if the app is not in foreground, service keeps on running and we are able to listen to songs.This is why we use service even though it runs on main thread.
In short, Services runs on the background of the UI thread.
You can perform tasks like client-server authentication or write to a database where the tasks are done in the background with no graphical interface.
But if you're doing a really long processing tasks that could freeze the interface, you use a service on a separate thread.
eg of a Service on a separate thread is IntentService
http://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
The page starts off by saying services are used to run long standing tasks in the background. Later in the "caution:", it says they are run on the UI thread, and any intensive work should be done in a separate thread, like the code placed inside IntentService's "onHandleIntent" callback.
If the code in onHandleIntent is the service's long standing task, and that runs in a background thread, why do they say a service runs on the UI thread?
There are multiple reasons for this:
UI thread is the way to work with events and binding, and is easier to understand how to interact with the service. That's usually already done on the UI thread, so it would also be easier to initiate functions on the service.
The service is a component without any UI, so it has less memory being used compared to activities, and also has less chance of having memory leaks compared to activities.
The service can run in the foreground, making it have less chance of being killed when the user goes to other apps.
there is also an IntentService, which has a function (called "onHandleIntent" )that runs only on the background thread, if you wish to perform easy background tasks easily.
Instead of forcing you to work in some way, Google lets you decide how&what to perform on the service.
It has its own lifecycle that isn't affected by UI. It's more affected by resource usage and OS decisions, and by the developer's choice of course.
I am looking for what service should be used in android applicaton.
Docs says
A Service is an application component that can perform long-running operations in the background and does not provide a user interface.
I have read this thread Application threads vs Service threads that saying same services are for running operation in background.
But here this can be done using Thread also. Any difference between them and where you should use them
UPDATE based on latest documentation:
Android has included in its documentation on when you should use Service vs Thread. Here is what it says:
If you need to perform work outside your main thread, but only while
the user is interacting with your application, then you should
probably instead create a new thread and not a service. For example,
if you want to play some music, but only while your activity is
running, you might create a thread in onCreate(), start running it in
onStart(), then stop it in onStop(). Also consider using AsyncTask or
HandlerThread, instead of the traditional Thread class. See the
Processes and Threading document for more information about threads.
Remember that if you do use a service, it still runs in your
application's main thread by default, so you should still create a new
thread within the service if it performs intensive or blocking
operations.
Another notable difference between these two approaches is that Thread will sleep if your device sleeps. Whereas, Service can perform operation even if the device goes to sleep. Let's take for example playing music using both approaches.
Thread Approach: the music will only play if your app is active or screen display is on.
Service Approach: the music can still play even if you minimized your app or screen is off.
Note: Starting API Level 23, you should Test your app with Doze.
Android Documentation - Services
A Service is meant to run your task independently of the Activity, it allows you to run any task in background. This run on the main UI thread so when you want to perform any network or heavy load operation then you have to use the Thread there.
Example : Suppose you want to take backup of your instant messages daily in the background then here you would use the Service.
Threads is for run your task in its own thread instead of main UI thread. You would use when you want to do some heavy network operation like sending bytes to the server continuously, and it is associated with the Android components. When your component destroy who started this then you should have stop it also.
Example : You are using the Thread in the Activity for some purpose, it is good practice to stop it when your activity destroy.
This is the principle i largely follow
Use a Thread when
app is required to be visible when the operation occurs.
background operation is relatively short running (less than a minute or two)
the activity/screen/app is highly coupled with the background operation, the user usually 'waits' for this operation to finish before doing anything else in the app.
Using a thread in these cases leads to cleaner, more readable & maintainable code. That being said its possible to use a Service( or IntentService).
Use a Service when
app could be invisible when the operation occurs (Features like Foreground service could help with operations being interrupted)
User is not required to 'wait' for the operation to finish to do other things in the app.
app is visible and the operation is independent of the app/screen context.
Reference from https://developer.android.com/guide/components/services.html
A service is simply a component that can run in the background even when the user is not interacting with your application. Thus, you should create a service only if that is what you need.
If you need to perform work outside your main thread, but only while the user is interacting with your application, then you should probably instead create a new thread and not a service.
For example, if you want to play some music, but only while your activity is running, you might create a thread in onCreate(), start running it in onStart(), then stop it in onStop().
Remember that if you do use a service, it still runs in your application's main thread by default, so you should still create a new thread within the service if it performs intensive or blocking operations.
My Approach for explanation is simple:
Create a thread when you are in the activity and want to do some background operation with frequent communication with the main thread.
Alert- Don't create too many threads as 1 thread is equal to 1 processor thread. If you want to do parallel processing with threads(multiple) try your hands on Executors
Now you want long running operations with less interaction with UI then go for Service. Keep in mind service runs on UI thread. But now you want the processing should be done in background thread, then go for Intent Service.Intent service maintains their Thread Pools and do not create new threads and runs your tasks serially.
I have doubts when it comes to Services.
I know the service runs in the background, but I thought you necessarily needed to create a thread within the service, otherwise it would block the main thread and you would get an ANR error.
I thought I got it! But then I read this in the Android Developer guide:
…if your service performs intensive or blocking operations while the user interacts with an activity from the same application, the service will slow down activity performance. To avoid impacting application performance, you should start a new thread inside the service.>
The paragraph mentions "intensive or blocking operations", but doesn’t mention an ANR error, it mentions performance. So how a service works?
Supposing an Activity starts a Service. Does the Service run by default in the background of the main thread? Meaning that you can still use your activity while the service is running, but since your Activity and the Service are sharing the main thread’s resources, it would slow down the performance of your activity, and if Service is doing CPU intensive work, it could leave no resources for the activity to use, and eventually you would get an ANR error.
The best practice (but not necessarily, if the service is doing light work) would be to start a new Thread within the Service, now the Activity and the Service are using their own thread’s resources. Then you could close your activity, but Android keeps the service thread alive.
Is that it? Thanks =)
I thought you necessarily needed to create a thread within the service, otherwise it would block the main thread and you would get an ANR error.
Correct.
The paragraph mentions "intensive or blocking operations", but doesn’t mention an ANR error, it mentions performance.
Feel free to file a bug report at http://b.android.com to get them to improve this portion of the documentation. :-)
Does the Service run by default in the background of the main thread?
The lifecycle methods of a Service, such as onCreate() and onStartCommand(), are called on the main application thread. Some services, like IntentService, will provide you with a background thread (e.g., for onHandleIntent()), but that is specific to that particular subclass of Service.
and eventually you would get an ANR error.
Yes.
The best practice (but not necessarily, if the service is doing light work) would be to start a new Thread within the Service, now the Activity and the Service are using their own thread’s resources. Then you could close your activity, but Android keeps the service thread alive.
Basically, yes. Here, "light work" should be less than a millisecond or so. Also, some things that you might do are naturally asynchronous (e.g., playing a song via MediaPlayer), so it may be that the Service itself does not need its own thread, because something else that it is using is doing the threading.