I am planning to build my embedded system for processing the sound of my guitar, like a pod, with input and output and so on and a system running with a program with presets, options etc in a small lcd screen should be multitouch for navigation.
Now I am at the very beginning and dont know where to start and what system I should use.
It should support the features I wrote above (like multitouch) and should be free.
Embedded Linux,
or
Android
or what?
Are you using off the shelf effects modules with some sort of interface to an embedded system or are you planning on doing the effects in your program as well? I assume the latter in this response, please clarify if I have misunderstood the nature of the project:
Do your system engineering...
You are going to need to deal with the analog of the inputs and outputs. Even digital inputs and outputs are analog in some respects to keep the signals clean. Even optical is going to be analog between the optical interface and the processors interface.
(I know this is long, keep reading it will converge on the answer to your question)
You will have some sort of hardware to software data in interface, ideally if you choose to support different interfaces you will ideally want to normalize the data into a common form and datarate so that the effects processing only has to deal with it one way. (avoiding a bunch of if-then-elses in the code, if bitrate is this then, else if bitrate is this then, else...if bitrate is this and data is unipolar then, else if bitrate is this and data is bipolar then, else...).
The guts of the effects processing is as complicated as you want to make it, one effect at a time or multiple? For each effect define the parameters you are going to allow to be adjusted (I would start with the minimum number which might be none, then add parameters later once it is all working). These parameters are going to need to be global in some for or fashion so that the user interface can get at them and modify them for the effects processing.
the output, same as the input, a lot of analog work, convert from the normalized data stream into whatever the interface wants or needs or you defined it to be.
then there is the user interface...the easy part.
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The guts of the software for the effects processing can be system independent code, and is probably more comfortable being developed and tested on a desktop/laptop than on the target system, bearing in mind the code should be written system and operating system independent as well as being written embeddable (avoid floating point, divides, lots of local variables, etc).
Sometimes if not often in an enclosed system with some sort of user interface on the same black box, knobs or buttons a screen of some sort, touch screens, etc. One system may manage the user interface the other performs the task and there is a connection between. not always but it is a nice clean design, and allows, for example a product designed yesterday with buttons and knobs and say a two line lcd panel, to be modernized to a touch screen, at a fraction of the effort, and tomorrow sometime there may be some fiber that plugs directly into a socket in the back of your head, who knows.
Another reason to separate the processing tasks is so that it is easier to insure that the effects processor will never get bogged down by user interface stuff. you dont want to be turning a virtual knob on your touchscreen and the graphics load to draw the picture causes your audio to get garbled or turn to a nasty whine. Basically the effects processor is real-time critical. you dont want to pick the string on the guitar, and have the sound come out of the amp three seconds later because the processor is also drawing an animated background on your touch screen panel. That processing needs to be tight and fast and deterministic, every if-then-else in the code has to be accounted for and balanced. If you allow for multiple effects in parallel your processor needs to be able to have the bandwidth to process all of the effects without a noticeable delay, otherwise if only one effect at a time then the processor needs to be chosen to handle the one effect with the worst computation effort. The worst that could happen is that the input to output latency varies because of something the gui processing is doing, causing the music to sound horrible.
So you can work the effects processor with its user interface being, for example, a serial interface and a protocol across that interface (which you define) for selecting effects and changing parameters. You can get the effects processor up and working and tested using your desktop and/or laptop connected through the serial interface with some adhoc code being used to change parameters, perhaps a command line program.
Now is where it becomes interesting. You can get an off the shelf embedded linux system for example or embedded android or whatever, write your app that uses the serial protocol, if need be glue, bolt, tape, mold, etc this user interface system on top of around, next to the effects processor module. Note that you could have all of the platforms suggested, an android version, a linux (without android) version, a mac version, a windows version, a dos version, a qnx version, an amiga version, you name it. You can try 100 different user interface variations on the same OS, maybe I want the knobs to be sliders, or up/down push buttons, or a dial looking thing that I use a two finger touch to rotate, or some other multi-touch gesture.
And it gets better, instead of or in addition to serial you could use a bluetooth module. Your user interface could be an iPhone app, or android phone app, or laptop linux or windows app. or your desktop computer, etc. All of which are (relatively) easy platforms for writing graphical user interfaces for selecting things.
Another approach of course could be ethernet, in particular wireless ethernet then your user interface could be a web page and the bulk of your user interface work has already been done by the firefox or chrome or other team. (wireless ethernet or bluetoot or zigbee or other allows the effects processor to be somewhere convenient and doesnt have to be within arms/foot reach of you).
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Do your system engineering. Break the problem into a few big modules, define the interfaces between the modules and then worry about the system engineering if necessary inside those modules until you get to easily digestable bites. The better the system engineering and the better defined the interfaces between modules the easier the project will be to implement.
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I would also investigate the xcore processors at xmos, they have a very nice simulator with vcd waveform output that you can also use to accurately profile your effects processing. Personally I would have a very tough time not choosing this platform for this project.
You should also investigate the omap from ti, this is what is on a beagleboard. You get a nice arm that already has linux and other things ported and running on it, but you also get a dsp block, that dsp block could do your effects processing and likely in a way that the two dont interfere. You lose the ability to separate your user interface processor and effects processor physically, but gain elsewhere, and can probably use a beagleboard off the shelf to develop a prototype (using analog audio in and out). I actually liked the hawkboard better (with the hawkboard you get a usable system out of the box, with the beagleboard you spend another beagleboards worth of money for stuff that should have been on the board), but last I saw they had an instability flaw with the pcb design.
I am not up on the specs but the tegra (a number of upcoming phones are or will be tegra based), like the omap, should give some parallel processing with a lean toward audio/video as well as gui. You only need the audio and gui (the easier two of the three). I think there is a development platform for sale that has a touchscreen on it and popular embedded OSes.
If you are trying to save money buy making one of these things yourself. Stop now and go to the store and buy one. The homebrew one will cost a lot more, even if all the design stuff is free. The hardware and melted down guitars and guitar amps are not. I speak from experience, many times I have spent many thousands of dollars on a homebrew projects to avoid buying some off the shelf $300 item. I learned an awful lot, and personally the building of the thing is more fun than the using it, I normally shelve it once it is finally working. YMMV
If I have misunderstood your question, please let me know and I will edit/remove/replace all of it with a different (short) answer.
In facts it depends on what kind of hardware you want to run and interface (as a consequence how much you will work at driver level... or not).
The problem with android remains the same than with a bare linux. Could even be worse if there is no framework-level library (Java) since you will have to manage C part (with JNI) and the Java part.
Work the specs... then you will choose wisely...
Reminder: android is linux-based.
Go for Android:
With any other embedded OS you will have too much of an integration work to deal with.
You can start by buying off-the-shelf hardware (Galaxy Tab, HTC phone, etc) to start your development and reach a prototype fast
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Well i have read a lot of answers of similar questions (even if they are old from like 2013-2014) and i understood that it is not possible to know it exactly since android doesnt count the hardware usage as usage of the app, and some other possible problems like services etc.
At the moment I'm trying to test the perfomance of an App using a protocol to reach a goal and the perfomance of the same App using another protocol (not well known by everyone) to reach the same goal, the default android battery analyzer is good for me since both cases are like 90% the same and i know how the protocols work
My problem is that i'm not sure which one is the best to measure the mAph consumed by my App, i know that there are some external apps that shows it but i would prefer using the one of default, I believe this is something important not only for me but for other people who might have to compare different protocols.
I know that i can measure it programmatically and I've done it too, i save the percentage when the app is opened and how much has been consumed until it gets closed, but it isnt an exact measure since while the app is opened some other apps can do heavy work and add some kind of noise of what i'm measuring so i would prefer to use the android's battery analyzer.
Get a spare device. Load it completely, then run the protocol until shutdown without other interaction (no youtube or anything), note the time it lasted. Repeat with the other protocol. Imho that is a fair way to compare. Note that every device behaves differently and it may or may not be possible to transfer this result to other devices e.g. with different network chips, processors or even firmware versions.
For a more fair comparison I think you should compare how the protocols work. I.e. number of interactions, payload size etc. because the power consumption can only ever be an estimate.
Hey All I'm a recently graduated BS in Mechanical Engineering and am working on a project that is getting into to the field of CS and I am looking to remake a treadmill after its 1990's motherboard finally quit.
I have the following assets:
Treadmill with broken motherboard (all other components tested and functional)
Touch screen monitor similar to this
A polar heart rate monitor.
Multiple hard drives, joysticks and other USB accessories.
NI LabVIEW full subscription suite
2 functioning (2000's era) laptops with no OS.
Solidworks
Local maker's space
I have a few main goals and stretch goals and I'd like some advice as to which should be easy enough to implement and which will take me a research team and 5 years
This should be easy... right?
Get a PID controller setup with a micro controller to spin treadmill belt at [n]mph and adjust incline to [n2] degrees based on a hardware dial, knob, or push button physical input
* get microcontroller to read motor encoders for speed/incline
* get microcontroller to recognize input from a physical button
* get microcontroller to compare current speed/incline values with target values
and increase/decrease current to motors appropriately
* have microcontroller display info on LCD screen
Change from physical input to touchscreen input.
*Figure out what they're doing[in link 1 in comments below]and adjust for what I currently have (or buy fresh if absolutely necessary)
* change input from hardware buttons to software <up> <down> arrows
* Add hardware E-stop
It looks like there are plenty of libraries and devices online that are doing elements of these two steps, combining them may be difficult due to my inexperience, but not hard for the hardware and software.
Medium Difficulty (I saw a guy do this once)
Upload some kind of Linux distribution or other OS onto my microcontroller and turn my program into an application.
*Learn how to install Linux/Other OS
*Compile program as application
*Section off the bottom of the LCD Screen as a treadmill specific taskbar
* (bonus round) Make treadmill specific taskbar able to be moved and snapped
(similar to the windows taskbar)
Add feedback from a heart rate monitor to the treadmill for heart rate PID control
*SparkFun has a Single Lead Heart Rate Monitor - AD8232 [Link 2] write an application
to read the monitor and control the treadmill program accordingly.
I feel like this is theoretically possible but I don't really know how I would go about it. I also see how either of these tasks could be infinitely more complex than I'm thinking it will be.
Hard mode (Is this even possible?)
Put on smartphone style functionality.
* Install Android OS onto microcontroller
* Install Google Play store
* dedicate a set of pixels to the "treadmill OS" and the rest to the "smartphone."
* Add some sort of hook for the "treadmill OS" into the Android OS and maybe write
a few apps to control the treadmill based on [arbitrary value in app]
If I can do this, why are all the super expensive and advanced treadmills on the market so crappy in terms of their software?
For my skill set I'm pretty good on how to physically put everything together (but will need to make few post to the Electronics stack exchange as to how to get a something the size of a smartphone to regulate 120V 60hz power correctly)
My main question is how much of this is actually conceivable to do and if I am to do it in a way that satisfies all my desires, should I:
A) look to by a particular type of microcontroller to do all of this(reccomendations would be appreciated)
B) Start with one of my two Laptops and write an interface for a microcontroller that just does the easy stuff
C) Install the Android OS on one of my laptops and begin write a [treadmill app]
D) Do something I haven't thought of because this is not my field.
ps: Although this is a DIY project, when it comes to the coding, I really don't want to be reinventing the wheel so please let me know about any libraries or resources that may exist which could be helpful
Wow, what a project!
Getting the treadmill working
If your goal is to "get the treadmill working," then don't bother with any of this; instead focus on debugging the motherboard. There's probably just 1 component that went bad, and it will be easier and faster to fix that than to build everything you mentioned up through easy/medium/hard modes. But I know your goal is learning and fun, not simply to get it working :)
Control loops and data collection
As you've already identified, you need something for low-level access to the hardware (controlling the treadmill and reading heart rate back). This type of work is perfect for a micro, so you're on the right path there. Android or Linux are needlessly complex for these tasks, and implementing them will be a lot more work for you, with not much advantage.
User interaction
At a bare minimum, the existing physical buttons and knobs will directly control the micro. Once you hit that checkpoint, congratulations, your treadmill works again.
But you don't want "working", you want "cool". You mentioned a few different ways for users to interact with your system: displays, touch screens, phones, etc. Already this is going to be a huge project, so don't waste time reinventing the wheel by trying to manually implement those things. Find a working system (your laptop, daily cellphone, or even a cheap tablet online), and use that to talk with your low-level micro over something like Bluetooth or WiFi.
Choosing the right tools
If you pick something obscure, expect to spend tons of time simply trying to get basic functionality out of it. So in general, you want to pick hardware & software that:
is robust (many people use it with minimal issue)
has a large community (for support from other experts/hobbyists)
has a large ecosystem (with lots of libraries that you can leverage)
The Arduino might be a good micro for you. Look into that.
For the "cool" display, your personal phone is probably the best option. The app development for your phone is robust and will have tons of support when you need it.
Other thoughts
You mentioned LabVIEW: stop doing that. It's the wrong tool for almost every goal you have.
You asked how to regulate mains power down to a small board: buy/find any old wall-wart adapter from old electronics around your home. Cut off the tip. Connect the wires to your board. Done. (all the magic is inside the brick block).
You asked which approach is best: B. Get the treadmill working with a basic micro. Then add wireless to the micro. Then write an app to give you a sweet display and control of the treadmill (via the micro).
E-stop. Smart.
I want to control the aperture, shutter speed and ISO on my android phone. Is there a way in which I can access the hardware features?
I won't say it's impossible to do this, but it IS effectively impossible to do it in a way that's generalizable to all -- or even many -- Android phones. If you stray from the official path defined by the Android API, you're pretty much on your own, and this is basically an embedded hardware development project.
Let's start with the basics: you need a schematic of the camera subsystem and datasheets for everything in the image pipeline. For every phone you intend to support. In some cases, you might find a few phones with more or less identical camera subsystems (particularly when you're talking about slightly-different carrier-specific models sold in the US), and occasionally you might get lucky enough to have a lot of similarity between the phone you care about and a Nexus phone.
This is no small feat. As far as I know, not even NEXUS phones have official schematics released. Popular phones (especially Samsung and HTC) usually get teardowns published, so everyone knows the broad details (camera module, video-encoding chipset, etc), but there's still a lot of guesswork involved in figuring out how it's all wired together.
Make no mistake -- this isn't casual hacking territory. If terms like I2C, SPI, MMC, and iDCT mean nothing to you, you aren't likely to get very far. If you don't literally understand how CMOS image sensors are read serially, and how bayer arrays are used to produce RGB images, you're almost certainly in over your head.
That doesn't mean you should throw in the towel and give up... but it DOES mean that trying to hack the camera on a commercial Android phone probably isn't the best place to start. There's a lot of background knowledge you're going to need in order to pull off a project like this, and you really need to acquire that knowledge from a hardware platform that YOU control & have proper documentation for. Make no mistake... on the hierarchy of "hard" Android software projects, this ranks pretty close to the top of the list.
My suggestion (simplified and condensed a bit): buy a Raspberry Pi, and learn how to light up a LED from a GPIO pin. Then learn how to selectively light up 8 LEDs through an 74HC595 shift register. Then buy a SPI-addressed flash chip on a breakout board, and learn how to write to it. At some point, buy a video image sensor with "serial" (fyi, "serial" != "rs232") interface from somebody like Sparkfun.com & learn how to read it one frame at a time, and dump the raw RGB data to flash. Learn how to use i2c to read and write the camera's control registers. At this point, you MIGHT be ready to tackle the camera in an Android phone for single photos.
If you're determined to start with an Android phone, at least stick to "Nexus" devices for now, and don't buy the phone (if you don't already own it) until you have the schematics, datasheets, and sourcecode in your possession. Don't buy the phone thinking you'll be able to trace the schematic yourself. You won't. At least, not unless you're a grad student and have one hell of a graduate-level electronics lab (with X-Ray capabilities) at your disposal. Most of these chips and modules are micro-BGA. You aren't going to trace them with a multimeter, and every Android camera I'm aware of has most of its low-level driver logic hidden in loadable kernel modules whose source isn't available.
That said, I'd dearly love to see somebody pull a project like this off. :-)
Android has published online training which contain all the information you need:
You can find it here - Media APIs
However, there are limitations, not all hardware's support all kind of parameters.
And if I recall correctly, you can't control the shutter speed and ISO.
I am trying to find the GPU clock speed in Android.
So far no luck. Is that possible at all? I cannot find any instruction in order to get the hardware clock speed.
Android does not provide APIs for low level interaction with the GPU. Depending on the meaning of "Android" it is not entirely clear that there has to even be a GPU - the emulator would be a common example of something that does not, and basic ports to various development boards could be another.
It is possible, though sadly unlikely, that a given device vendor might choose to publicize some low-level programming information. Unfortunately, details of how to work with the GPU tend to be things that they hold quite closely and refuse to disclose - they argue it would give an advantage to their competitors - perhaps, but what it clearly does is prevent open source implementations of accelerated graphics drivers.
Even beyond the availability of information, there is the issue of access permission. The graphics hardware in Android is owned by system components such as surfaceflinger, and on secured devices not really made available for direct interaction by 3rd party application code.
Ultimately though, even if you could find a number it would not mean much. Clock speed of the internal engine does not tell you the number of clock cycles needed to complete an operation, the number of parallel operations which can be in process, what delays are encountered in moving data to/from memory and what caches are available, the efficiency of algorithms, etc. You might be better off benchmarking some performance test.
I want to take an Android based tablet - not a phone, I need a large screen and I don't need 3G.
The guy with the tablet will attach a web cam to it and a s/w application in the Adnroid tablet will stream the cameras feed to a web page (there may later be a need to stream video back to the Android tablet - tbd).
Additionally, I need 2 way Voice over IP.
I may (tbd) need to use a TCP interace to a device which might, or might not, be achieved through the Andoid.
With so much open: is there any open source that can handle that, either as a grooup or individually, or should I code my own? Since I don't normally do this kinds of stuff what's the best approach, in terms of protocols, etc
I'd like to demo something in a month or so. Sorry that this is vague - but so is the person asking for it (which might make me lean towards roll your won simply because of shifting requirements. But I might roll my own around off the shelf building block, for instance if I can find off the shelf open source VoiP, etc)
is there any open source that can
handle that, either as a grooup or
individually, or should I code my own?
AFAIK, there is virtually no "open source that can handle that" for Android. In fact, you will need hardware modifications and drivers to support webcams, let alone anything else on your to-do list.
There are a lot of mobile streaming services. Maybe they can help you with one half of your problem:
http://www.ustream.tv/
http://www.qik.com/
http://bambuser.com/
Instead of the Webcam, you can use the integrated camera on the phone itself to capture and stream. And, yes, you 'll have to develop something on your own esp. with changing requirements.